plarail talking diesel 10

trevor379

i wanted to know a little more about this train.
has anyone taken this train apart?
the hardest trains to take apart (for me anyways) are the face changing ones.
can someone show me some pics of the body?
in particular the seams? maybe the inside?
is the top of the body easy to come off?
i don't have 1.
so any info would be greatly appreciated.

ripley802

The TnA (talk n Action D10)? I have quite a bit of expierence with this one and have 3 complete right now with a partial on the way from Japan. And yes they are pretty complex. :dodgy: but that makes it fun or at least a challenge.

trevor379

have you taken it apart? whts the battery terminal look like?

ripley802

trevor379 wrote
have you taken it apart? whts the battery terminal look like?

Yeah I have had them disassembled all the way from changing a battery, to swapping battery terminals (including replacing the brass rivets), to swapping the motor, etc...

The battery terminals are in the attached Splatter. There are 2 AA under the shell and one AA in the bottom of Splatter. Taking this portion apart is not to difficult. When taking the shell off of D10 it can get a little tricky to try and get everything back in where it goes but is not as bad as James, Gordon, and Henry.

Let me know if you have any other questions or need something specific that pictures may help with.

Super

You are speaking with the expert on all TnA's and their repairs here Trevor and Ripley is always happy to share in what he knows.

ripley802

Thanks Super.
Yep, definitely here to help. I have ran across multiple issues and be able to fix most all, even down to the component level on the circuit board for the crown jewel TnA American Accent James.

trevor379

thts incredible! i had no idea people (aside from me of course) did this.
show me a strip down- no pun intended-
i found this train in nyc. great price! but needs work.
this train is pretty high on my want list!
but only for the right price.
how difficult to take diesel 10 apart?
again i have taken evry train apart.
and again i stress- to me anyways- tht the face changing ones are the most difficult.
with tht said... how difficult is this train?

ripley802

Is it at a store or something or did you already purchase it? They routinely sell on the Japan auctions for close to 6,000¥ and for broken ones sometimes 4,000¥ or more. I agree if you can get it for a good price you should go for it. If you have not already try and get some pictures of the battery terminals, as they tend to be heavily corroded. These take a special battery terminal that you can not easily find to replace. Believe me I have looked everywhere and am working with a source in China still to try and acquire them. Sometimes though if not too far gone distilled vinigar will clean them up. The wires though can be damaged by the corrosion and need replaced. I typically will go ahead and replace the wires if there is heavy corrosion.

Aside from that I have not really had motor issues with D10 specifically, but not to say that could be in an issue. Stripped axel gears are pretty common and these take a smaller width gear that is not a common size. Other than circuit issues the most difficult thing I have ran across (which has been with TnA Thomas and Percy) has been replacing the activation mechinisim. It can be a real pain.

I will try and get some pictures for you soon or see if I can find them maybe in another thread that I may have posted.

Difficulty wise compared to the flip face trains this one is quite a bit more difficult. I do find the flip face ines sometimes troubling though too. Especially Lost and Found Hiro. :dodgy:

trevor379

great info.
wht do you mean... by "special" battery terminal?
define "smaller" axel gear?
and with tht.. is tht problem solvable?

i'll be honest here. i'm looking at the box. rather than the train. the box is in great condition! far better than the toy.
i

the box... no seams. no fades. no creases. its very very pretty

ripley802

trevor379 wrote
great info.
wht do you mean... by "special" battery terminal?
define "smaller" axel gear?
and with tht.. is tht problem solvable?

There appears to be in a few different types of Plarail/Tomy trains that have the same terminals but replacements are near impossible to find. Here is an image I sent to a supplier to try and source them from China. They have them, but not in stock. :-/

The axel gear I believe is 4mm wide where most of the others are 5mm. I has been while since I have looked at the measurements but I believe those are accurate. I bought larger ines 5mm and made a jig from aluminum to get them down to the right size.

I too found one in the box; it was used but still in great condition. I paid quite a bit for it, but other than the TnA Henry with box and the TnA American accent James it is right up there with my favorites.
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trevor379

ok, so the first question tht comes to mind is...
you keep mentioning other t-n-a talking trains?
y is tht?
second, those termials r not tht uncommon.
am i missing something?

my question is this...
how hard is it to replace the cab of diesel 10?
when it applies to a t-n-a diesel 10?

do measurements apply? do details in regards to this model apply?
so on.. and so on...

ripley802

All of the TnA trains can be somewhat difficult to repair. I bring up the other ones because I have expierencied different issues with different ones. This is an attempt to give you an idea on what you "could" be in for. Not knowing anymore info on the D10 that you are looking at it is hard to say how difficult it would be to repair it. Does the person selling it specially mention it doesn't work or say what happens when the try to make it work?

Regarding the battery terminals, if you can find "new" replacement ones I would be indebted to you..😃. Seriously, I have looked high and low, far and wide for these things. From the US, UK, and finally finding some on one site in China. As far as being in trains, they may not be uncommon, and I have stripped them from a few different models to use in TnA repairs but would love to just have brand new ones to use.

Replacing D10's cab should not be too bad, but are you talking about taking it off and then putting the same one back on or actually finding a replacement cab. The only difficult part which is not too bad on this model is getting the wires tucked back in.

Hope this all helps...😃

MuddyPoppins

Super wrote
You are speaking with the expert on all TnA's and their repairs here Trevor and Ripley is always happy to share in what he knows.

Yes Ripley is THEE MAN!! He has mastered the model.
The T'nA's are the most complex, finicky, delicate, trains ever made in this range too...and yes, I would agree that of them all, that James, for whatever reason, seems to be the least dependable, with the most problems, and one of the most difficult of them to repair.

trevor379

hmmmmmmmmmmm.......
decisions decisions!
now i am almost compelled to get this train.
maybe i should get a test model?
i've got to see about these terminals.
i'm very interested.
i recently took a peak at jauce.
which -to me anyways- is a complete monopoly.
havent been there in awhile.
very hard to navigate.
interesting about james being so difficult- out of them all? why is tht? especially given tht fact tht tht the formula should have been established.
was james the last release in this line?

Ucwepn

I have a British accent James that needs work, It ran poorly so I took it apart to clean it and put it back together and it still runs poorly lol.

trevor379

ok wait a minute.
i have always been confused when it comes to the talk n action trains.
so lets define plz.
now, i'm assuming tht muddy and riplely r talking about the japan models? is this correct?

and ucwepn. is talking about a different region? yes?

ripley802

trevor379 wrote
ok wait a minute.
i have always been confused when it comes to the talk n action trains.
so lets define plz.
now, i'm assuming tht muddy and riplely r talking about the japan models? is this correct?

and ucwepn. is talking about a different region? yes?

Talk n Action have a distinct coupler on them which is the easiest way to tell, but the other sign is the on the bottom they have an activation mechinisim. They use the short green pieces of track. You mention D10 which is a Japanese accent, there was rumor of an American accent I believe but never has been found to my knowledge.

Regarding the train you are looking at/ trains to decide on. You don't have to give a link or any other info on it, but is it for sale directly from someone you know or is it on an auction site, etc.. even if you can get it broken for a decent price it is likely fixable.

trevor379

the american is a myth.
second: the coupler mechinisim. not tht different from the steam thomas? yes/no? define plz.
third: did the japan release of diesel 10 come with its own track?

ripley802

trevor379 wrote
the american is a myth.
second: the coupler mechinisim. not tht different from the steam thomas? yes/no? define plz.
third: did the japan release of diesel 10 come with its own track?

Yep they are different. The steam Thomas has a "closed" type connector with sort of "pegs" that connect into holes where as the TnA connector the wires are exposed and there are "holes" that connect to pegs.

The D10 I have in the box was not BNIB but did not come with track. I think Muddy has one or two BNIB D10's.

Here are some pics of the shell off D10: